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Winnerz a Fraud!

há 2 anos por Birgule81
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há 2 anos

What is youre experience of this new casino? If you dont have any, stay far away.opened an account 27/1,lost some and asked emailed them asking them to close my account due to gambling issues. They instructed me to do it using a cooloff function on the site, i did so and blocked my self for 30 days…. 30/1 addict as i am I opened a new account on the same site signing and depositing with bankid /veryfing personalid, name and adress each time i deposit. I won some, and first today i got contacted by their Securitydepartment receiving info that my new account are blocked (of course) and the winnings confiscated (can understand that), when asking them to send back the approximatly 347 euros i deposit since yesterday, im told that they hav placed those money on the account i opened 27/1 and asked them go close due to gambling issues.. horrifying, when demanding them to pay those funds immideatly to my bankaccount (that i used for deposits) they answer me "As a loyalty gesture, we have refunded your deposits to your first player accouny", as a lotalty gesture? This is maffiabehaviour, and they should be blacklisted immideatly, everyone should stay far away, due to player safety matters. The fact that they can Hold except winnings Also youre money are horryfying. They should be blacklisted asap, they dont have a mgalicens i know and i feel stupid even considering opening an account with them, they are regulated through an Estonian licens, and as a EU-member i thought they were safe.

Birgule81
há 2 anos

Hello, just to be sure - did you mean this casino, please?

Radka
há 2 anos

https://www.winnerz.com/, this one-might be the same..not sure

Birgule81
há 2 anos

There are cases where casinos deserve to be blacklisted, but this isn't one of them. You breached their terms and conditions by creating another account. They did what only a fair casino would do: They voided the winnings, but returned the deposits.

Of course, the problem is that they had to close the 2nd account immediately so they decided to move the deposits to your 1st account. If I understand it correctly, your 1st account is closed now due to self-exlusion for 30 days, but it will be reopen after that. Then, that will be the moment when you should be able withdraw back all your deposits.

The only thing I'm concerned about is the fact that they shouldn't let you reopen the account if it's closed due to gambling issues. It should remain closed when you mention that this is the reason for closing your account. But the tool you described probably works differently. It doesn't matter what's the reason for closing account, the player has always an option to choose a specific period (30days etc.).

há 2 anos

Assim como você e sua função não devem ser subestimados, você atua em um mercado onde o cliente é muito vulnerável. Como um viciado em jogos de azar onde menciono ativamente o vício e peço para ser bloqueado, ainda poder configurar outra conta e depois depositar cerca de 15 a 20 vezes é horrível, ganhar e comprar o fato de que estão confiscando os ganhos. No entanto, fora da segurança do jogador e desse aspecto, é arrepiante que ambos ameacem confiscar os fundos depositados e, finalmente, pensem que estão fazendo uma boa ação que os coloca na mesma conta aberta anteriormente que você foi solicitado a fechar devido a vício em jogos de azar. Considerando que você cria / paga com bankid onde todas as informações como CPF / nome / endereço etc. são verificadas, por que eles estão esperando que eu deposite cerca de 20 vezes e possivelmente reivindique um lucro antes de fechar a conta? Seria uma alegria se você pudesse se desligar globalmente e evitar esse inferno

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Daniel
há 2 anos

Apenas quero dizer que somos todos adultos e devemos assumir nossa própria responsabilidade, no entanto, existem jogadores por aí que assumem sua responsabilidade e tornam eventos como este impossíveis, seria completamente impossível para mim abrir uma nova conta no Quick.bet, pois assim que entro com meu BankID sou bloqueado, o mesmo se aplica a muitos outros jogadores, este jogador te dá a oportunidade de reabrir, depositar muitas vezes e depois fechar. Isso é exatamente o que um jogador sério em um mercado com muitas pessoas vulneráveis faria.

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Birgule81
há 2 anos

It's interesting to see that you mentioned the option to shut yourself off globally. We started a global exclusion initiative during last year. It's gonna be a long process, but we'd like to help creating a tool that would enable this. Take a look: https://casino.guru/global-self-exclusion-initiative

I agree that considering the fact you deposited with BankID, then it shouldn't be that difficult for the casino to block your account immediately. There are systems that can block you automatically when you add the same name and details about yourself, when you use the same IP address or even the same device. Then this should be possible as well.

Daniel
há 2 anos

Admiro muito o seu trabalho na implementação de tal ferramenta, uma ferramenta de exclusão global beneficiaria enormemente um número incrível de indivíduos e famílias. Leia uma entrevista com um de seus representantes que me impressionou, recorro e espero que todos os atores que não levam esse vício e problemas a sério revejam imediatamente suas regras e procedimentos. No entanto, é importante que eles sejam divulgados e acabem na luz, há um número enorme de atores sérios, responsáveis e talentosos - certamente há tantos maus, é importante que as pessoas tenham uma idéia de quem a quem e a quem não recorrer


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há 2 anos

All is fine until you try get money out. Then they use every rule against you. My neighbor country acts like nigerians. Very sad.

há 2 anos

Unfortunately this message didn't show me before I registered. They have one their own review in main page. This is one man casino = zombie casino. No support, no cash history, no game history. Only automatic emails. Don't waste your time.

Daniel
há 2 anos

You don't have much responsible gaming options in your site. Your software have option to give clients possibility set deposit limits...but you have decided to not use it.

há 2 anos

Unfortunately this message didn't show me before I registered. They have one their own review in main page. This is one man casino = zombie casino. No support, no cash history, no game history. Only automatic emails. Don't waste your time.

há 2 anos

Hello,

I answered you here.

Did you play with any bonus? Do you have some screenshots showing there is no history available?

JuhaK
há 2 anos

We don't really have any software that would allow our clients to set deposit limits, since we're not a casino, we have no clients in terms of players who deposit and lose money and we don't even accept any form of deposits.

We also have a whole website section dedicated to responsible gambling: https://casino.guru/problem-gambling

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Daniel
há 2 anos

I hope that this global exclusion thing will be implemented soon. Many friends of mine committed suicide. Online gaming is the only where we cannot be rescued at the moment.

Birgule81
há 2 anos

Totally agree..

há 2 anos

I hope that this global exclusion thing will be implemented soon. Many friends of mine committed suicide. Online gaming is the only where we cannot be rescued at the moment.

há 2 anos

I would not say "only" but yes - there is a lot to be done in order to improve the current state of a proper safer gambling environment.

há 2 anos

Winnerz.com<————-> fraud scammers dont play or deposit.yesterday 2020-10-21 i won 4600 euro and i Disney get the money out the keep asking for more end more dokumention of income and finlly about what car u have etc, etc just wont pay the money out the the shut my account down rest is hostory

richardbollstrom8
há 2 anos

Hello,

it sounds like you had a real issue passing the account verification. Any particular document you find hard to provide, please?

I can imagine that you would like your winnings to be paid out immediately, but the casino must verify you and your payment option to accept the withdrawal, this is an inevitable procedure in every decent casino.

Let me know how it goes, please.


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