há 4 anos
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há 4 anos
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há 2 anos
Deposited $150. Redeemed slot coupon. Met rollover. Got to $4770. Requested payout. Slotastic claimed 3 of my ~3500 bets were over the $10 limit. All my other bets were $5 or less. Their rule is worded, "The maximum bet for all bonuses (including cashback) must not exceed $10. Any winnings, plus bonus amounts derived from bets higher than this limit will be voided". All 3 of the $11+ bets were losers and accidental. Thus I "derived" no winnings from them and do not consider their rule relevant here. This point is what I consider to be the most important. If they had simply stated the max bet was $10, I would consider their ruling harsh but ultimately justifiable.
As for the accidental part, I don't remember making any bets over $5. Some games, when you reopen or refresh, reset bet size to max which I may not have noticed right away. If I had to guess, I toggled from a second browser back to my slot game and, while doing so, accidentally clipped a pay-line marker. If you do this, it also activates every lesser pay-line which could easily put you over $10 3 spins without noticing.
I gave my position in great detail to Slotastic over multiple communications. Essentially, their only response was "Whether or not winnings were had from the specific bet, if bets above $10 are made when a coupon is active, the winnings are voided." They chastised my "playing style", i.e., the 3 accidental bets. They also reiterated numerous times that I be familiar with the terms and conditions despite the fact I told them numerous times that I was familiar with the T&C, and the fact that I had always bet well below the $10 max bet throughout all my deposits reflected that. Betting big, especially early, can give a player an unfair advantage, but that was simply not the case here.
To be fair, Slotastic has reversed their position part way and reinstated half the win. This came only after publicly posting elsewhere and receiving feedback that was generally in my favor. Most feedback was on the wording of the rule. The majority agreed with my position, some felt it was a bit ambiguous, some seemed to feel it is an industry standard that if you go over the bet limit on any bet your entire balance gets voided. My position is that if there is any ambiguity, which I don't think there is, the norm is for it to benefit the party that didn't write the rules. Otherwise, there is an obvious incentive to write ambiguous rules. As for any industry norms, I think any specifically written rule should override any industry norm.
Slotastic recently did update their rule to reflect how they actually act. This is good for future situations but is not applicable retroactively. They also recently admitted my claim was "valid" but will not elaborate how they are simultaneously justified in voiding half my win. I do not really expect Slotastic to change course at this point, and I am not looking for anyone to inject on my behalf. I just felt people should know.
há 2 anos
Hello.
Sadly, it's quite a common rule, yet casinos are not usually able to enforce it actively by preventing you from making higher-than-allowed bets. That would be the fairest solution, I'd say.
One way or another, when it comes to a fair approach:
"Having a maximum bet rule for bonus play and only listing it in Bonus T&Cs is an industry standard, but it leaves room for players making an honest mistake and placing a higher bet by accident, without any bad intentions."
"If the maximum bet is just mentioned in the T&Cs, it should be clearly defined and visible, not buried under a large number of less important conditions. Furthermore, if the player happens to break the rule by accident, we would like to see casinos approaching these cases individually and not using the max bet rule to cancel withdrawals of players who played in good faith and did not gain an advantage by breaking the rule."
So, I'd say submitting a complaint is an option - and it's free.
This guide explains the basics:
https://casino.guru/complaint-resolution-instructions
While this one allows you to create one:
https://casino.guru/complaints
What do you think?
há 2 anos
I had actually gone through a complaint process elsewhere and I believe that process has gone as far as it's going to go. I was just hoping to make this situation public on this site so people looking for feedback on Slotastic could make their own conclusions.
há 2 anos
Fair enough.
I you change your mind, we're here.
há 11 meses
I've made 4 cashouts from Slotastic Casino. The cashout prior to the present incident was on 12/31/2023 for $1890. The stated withdrawal limit for BTC on the Slotastic website is $2,500.
I recently deposited again, ran extremely hot, and ended up winning $1100 from a $1k deposit. I did not and to my knowledge never have used a bonus, cashback or any other casino promotional money. Yet, when I went to cash out, I was surprised to see that the weekly cashout limit that Slotastic management had set for BTC had been reduced to $500, a reduction of 5x and apparently only on my account. Given my deposit history of $1000 deposits, Slotastic management should have inferred that such a dramatic reduction surely would have dissuaded me from making further deposits.
But there was no communication at all to this effect. I only discovered this problem when I went to cash out. As it stands, it will likely take far more than a month to receive my funds, if Slotastic in fact decides to pay at all.
Slotastic points to paragraph 25 of their terms and conditions which states that they have the right to lower the weekly cashout limit to any amount and without consideration of how long collection might take. But that’s simply an unconscionable God clause that would be quickly invalidated by any legitimate court or regulatory body.
Slotastic’s action here is tantamount to a kind of freeroll. My play history clearly shows that I am capable of losing multiple large buy-ins in a row. Had that occurred, I may have lost four or five thousand then discovered that it would take 6 months to receive a fraction of that back. It also smacks of the well-known tactic of trying to get players to continue playing, even when they clearly have reached their limits, as the remaining funds are still available to play, for months. This is exploitative casino behavior that is clearly barred in reputable jurisdictions like Nevada, Michigan, New Jersey or Pennsylvania.
In an industry where instant cashouts and $10k limits are now completely standard, this type of behavior is in my opinion rogue and contrary to norms of industry ethics and honesty. To be clear, a casino has a right to set cashout limits. They just don't have a right to surreptitiously lower them in order to lure unsuspecting players into making large consecutive deposits where they have no chance of being paid winnings in anything resembling a timely fashion.
I am not filing a complaint or taking further action at this time as I don't have any indication that the Slotastic management actually intends to rip me off. But these sorts of dishonest cashout games are not acceptable to me and shouldn't be to any other player, especially when there are hundreds of more honest casinos where players don't have to worry about getting their hard won money when they finally do hit a good streak.
Based on this experience, I could not recommend Slotastic Casino to anyone.
edit: I should add one important fact that I didn't know until later: It appears that there is no way for the customer to know if their withdrawal limit is less than $2500 until they go to withdraw. A customer service rep told me that my BTC limit was still $2500 after it became crystal clear that it was restricted to $500. The rep only acknowledged that it was lower once I sent a screen shot.
That is shady, full stop.
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há 11 meses
I wrote a 586 word post yesterday detailing the manipulative, surreptitious and underhanded use of cashout limits by Slotastic Casino in order to allow them to dramatically expand cashout times to a period of months on relatively small amounts. Say what you will, but I've been around this industry for decades. There are few players who would consider a month and a half for a $2000 cashout to be an appropriate timeframe.
Why was that post moved to a nearly invisible location on the site? It's easy to guess at the answers. But it is also ofc the right of the site owners to moderate their site how they see fit.
However, this action by Slotastic Casino imo clearly crosses the line into exploitation of players, for reasons that I laid out in detail in the post. It is therefore of high public interest: Prospective Slotastic Casino customers should be able to deposit there with their eyes wide open as to the various schemes Slotastic Casino uses to delay or deny cashouts.
Finally, if the post was moved for SEO reasons to protect the casino — and I'm not saying that it was, this is more of a public statement for this casino and any other who mistakenly believe they have easy PR countermeasures — I worked for 5 years in a cute little business called "reputation management" and still occasionally use my old employer on projects. Casinos hear this: You will not mitigate the effects of negative PR campaigns should you step so far out of line that such measures need to be taken against you.
For $20,000, I could fill the entire first two pages of Google, Bing and DuckDuckGo with nightmarish things that no online business could survive. Making sure that content is nearly impossible to remove is what we do. This is not speculation. For any casino management that's curious, I can send you links to our campaigns and the results, many with keywords that are vastly harder than "Burnjointslots" etc. These are world-class professionals. You don't want a pinner-joint worth of that smoke.
Pay players, and adverse collection activity will never be a problem.
Edit: I heard back from Slotastic management and was ensured that I would be able to cash out the full amount well prior to the deadline I had set of June 18 2025. If they abide by this, there is no serious problem here.
However, I stand by what I've stated above. Casinos have the right to set whatever cashout limits they choose. That is a right they must enjoy on basic business grounds. But when a casino reduces a player's cashout limits to a fraction of what they previously were, it is imperative to be fully transparent with players, especially where a player's deposit history clearly shows they will be dramatically affected by the new limits.
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há 11 meses
Hello,
First of all, I guess you would appreciate that both your very similar pots are located in the official casino discussion thread, presenting the best visibility for the rest of the community.
Since your casino-related issue seems to be pretty complex, and you obviously want to complain, I would like to say that you are welcome to do so.
If the casino, by using any form of unfair approach, limited your winnings or unfairly affected the way you could withdraw, you should try the free-pf charge complaint.
Without further ado, read more about how it works, please: https://casino.guru/complaint-resolution-instructions 👈
Our mediators apply what we call the Fair Gambling Codex; perhaps it would be of any use to you.
I recall several complaints where players could not benefit from being on the highest VIP level, which also included excellent withdrawal limits, because once the first withdrawal had been submitted, the balance and proportion toward the overall deposit changed and the VIP rank was stripped off...
Such an approach, in my opinion, will never be a good choice. Once the casino loses a player's trust, the way to regain it is longand and costly.
há 11 meses
There is no complaint. As of right now I consider it resolved, unless the casino fails to allow me to withdraw my funds in a reasonably timely manner. I have defined that as 6/18/2025. It appears from their communications it should be no problem meeting that deadline. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I read the complaint instructions and concluded that the casino's actions in this case, while far suboptimal, did not rise to the level of a serious issue like stolen non-bonus cashout, being locked out of the account then ghosted etc.
I will read the link you provided. I am interested in any potential universal online gaming ethics framework with some authority behind it. Thanks.
Thanks for your input on the effect of VIP change. I didn't know that although the casino didn't indicate that was the case here and said that they had similarly lowered the limits of many other players.
I think the key to maintaining player trust is transparency. Players should be able to easily see withdrawal limits. And any dramatic change to those limits should be communicated such that it is unlikely the player would be unaware of the change. This becomes more important the longer the player's deposit history and the more severe the reduction in withdrawal limits.
I have no preference where my posts are put at this point or if they even remain up. At this stage the casino's actions were carried out with suspicious opacity and have imposed a foreseeable inconvenience on a player. But giving them the most favorable benefit of the doubt as to why they changed my — and as they claim, many other players' — limits, without communication, while far suboptimal, they haven't done anything clearly over the line of ethics or what would be considered legal in regulated jurisdictions imo.
As long as they continue processing cashouts in a reasonably timely way, they're on the right side of the fence as far as I'm concerned.
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há 11 meses
Hello,
Good to know that. Thank you very much for reading the instructions! Let us know how you've been doing. 🙏
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