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player0990
há 2 meses
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What seems to be happening here is a mixing of different levels of the issue, and that’s where the misunderstanding comes from.

There is a difference between:

  • how a situation feels to the player,
  • what is ethically expected from a casino,
  • and what can actually be established and proven in a complaint process.

The complaint was not rejected because the question was "ill-intentioned" or because player protection is being denied. It was rejected because, based on the information provided, there was no verifiable evidence that the casino prevented a withdrawal or explicitly conditioned account closure on losing the balance. What could be established was that the balance was played and lost.

General statements about how things "cannot work in Spain" are not the same as demonstrating that this is what happened in this specific case. In any complaint procedure, claims have to be supported by concrete facts or documentation, regardless of the country involved.

Regarding account closure: in practice, casinos usually distinguish between a regular account closure and an immediate block due to problem gambling. In urgent cases, an instant block may come with consequences for an active balance. This is not a moral judgment, but a practical and procedural reality, and it exists precisely because health and harm prevention sometimes take priority over funds.

That does not mean the situation is pleasant or easy to accept. It only means that without clear proof that the casino acted unlawfully or misleadingly, there is very limited room for intervention. Asking questions is fair, but disagreement with the outcome does not automatically mean the explanation is invented or generalized.

há 2 meses
uspt

What seems to be happening here is a mixing of different levels of the issue, and that’s where the misunderstanding comes from.

There is a difference between:

  • how a situation feels to the player,
  • what is ethically expected from a casino,
  • and what can actually be established and proven in a complaint process.

The complaint was not rejected because the question was "ill-intentioned" or because player protection is being denied. It was rejected because, based on the information provided, there was no verifiable evidence that the casino prevented a withdrawal or explicitly conditioned account closure on losing the balance. What could be established was that the balance was played and lost.

General statements about how things "cannot work in Spain" are not the same as demonstrating that this is what happened in this specific case. In any complaint procedure, claims have to be supported by concrete facts or documentation, regardless of the country involved.

Regarding account closure: in practice, casinos usually distinguish between a regular account closure and an immediate block due to problem gambling. In urgent cases, an instant block may come with consequences for an active balance. This is not a moral judgment, but a practical and procedural reality, and it exists precisely because health and harm prevention sometimes take priority over funds.

That does not mean the situation is pleasant or easy to accept. It only means that without clear proof that the casino acted unlawfully or misleadingly, there is very limited room for intervention. Asking questions is fair, but disagreement with the outcome does not automatically mean the explanation is invented or generalized.

há 2 meses
esptus

Já que tenho o histórico do chat onde eles dizem claramente que se eu fechar a conta perco meu saldo, isso não é uma prova clara?


Solicitei o encerramento da conta e eles mentiram para mim, dizendo que eu perderia o saldo; na Espanha isso é ilegal, conforme estipulado em suas leis.


Se isso não for suficiente para você, bem, veja... está claro quem você quer defender.


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player0990
há 2 meses
uspt

Hello, perhaps we misunderstand each other. Let's put aside what is or is not legal in Spain, because this casino is not licensed in Spain, as far as I can tell. Can you maybe confirm that?

"Since I have the chat where they clearly say that if I close the account I lose my balance, isn't that clear proof?"

Proof is unnecessary because the casino rules state the voidance, correct? I was trying to explain that, from a practical standpoint, there are two options:

1) The player is okay and can wait for the payout to close the account afterwards.

2) If the player is not okay and is experiencing gambling issues, the account must be closed immediately, regardless of the remaining balance. Health and preventing further losses take priority over the account balance.

It is inconvenient, yet the addicted player is very likely to lose the money anyway and thus should be restricted from entering the site immediately. There is no middle ground.

Thus, if you lose the balance, there is sadly no space for confronting the casino. This is basically why my colleagues rejected your complaint request, I reckon.

In any case, I suggest you only play in casinos that are licensed in your jurisdiction. If you do so, you may then discuss the approach to problem gambling at casinos with your national license provider or lawyer.


há 2 meses
uspt

Hello, perhaps we misunderstand each other. Let's put aside what is or is not legal in Spain, because this casino is not licensed in Spain, as far as I can tell. Can you maybe confirm that?

"Since I have the chat where they clearly say that if I close the account I lose my balance, isn't that clear proof?"

Proof is unnecessary because the casino rules state the voidance, correct? I was trying to explain that, from a practical standpoint, there are two options:

1) The player is okay and can wait for the payout to close the account afterwards.

2) If the player is not okay and is experiencing gambling issues, the account must be closed immediately, regardless of the remaining balance. Health and preventing further losses take priority over the account balance.

It is inconvenient, yet the addicted player is very likely to lose the money anyway and thus should be restricted from entering the site immediately. There is no middle ground.

Thus, if you lose the balance, there is sadly no space for confronting the casino. This is basically why my colleagues rejected your complaint request, I reckon.

In any case, I suggest you only play in casinos that are licensed in your jurisdiction. If you do so, you may then discuss the approach to problem gambling at casinos with your national license provider or lawyer.


há 2 meses
esptus

Vamos ver, claro que tem licença na Espanha, e como vou fechar minha conta se perder todo o meu saldo?


Solicitei o encerramento da minha conta e eles mentiram para mim sobre a perda do meu saldo; de acordo com as regras que este cassino e seu operador seguem, isso é ilegal.

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player0990
há 2 meses
uspt

Hello, I'll address just the facts here, if you don't mind.

As suggested, the account closure request must always be clearly composed and reflect one of those two options clearly.

Simply put: you have to choose the more suitable from both options.

1) If you just want to close the account, withdraw all funds and then ask for the account closure.

2) If you are at risk of problem gambling and feel like losing control, ask for a permanent account closure due to gambling issues. Your account will be closed as soon as possible, yet the balance may be voided. The point of the second option is to prevent struggling players from further harm.

Let me know how it went with DGOJ, please.


há 2 meses
uspt

Hello, I'll address just the facts here, if you don't mind.

As suggested, the account closure request must always be clearly composed and reflect one of those two options clearly.

Simply put: you have to choose the more suitable from both options.

1) If you just want to close the account, withdraw all funds and then ask for the account closure.

2) If you are at risk of problem gambling and feel like losing control, ask for a permanent account closure due to gambling issues. Your account will be closed as soon as possible, yet the balance may be voided. The point of the second option is to prevent struggling players from further harm.

Let me know how it went with DGOJ, please.


há 2 meses
esptus

Obrigado pela sua resposta.


É necessário esclarecer alguns pontos essenciais do quadro regulamentar espanhol, aplicável neste caso, uma vez que o operador está registado nos registos da Direção-Geral de Regulação do Jogo (DGOJ) e, portanto, sujeito à legislação espanhola sobre jogo e proteção do jogador.


Na Espanha, o operador tem obrigações legais específicas, incluindo:


Obrigação de fornecer informações verdadeiras, claras e não enganosas ao jogador.

Dever de proteger ativamente o jogador quando este solicitar medidas de encerramento ou limitação.

Proibição de induzir a erro quanto às consequências econômicas do exercício dos direitos de proteção.

O dever de oferecer alternativas reais e corretas para proteger o equilíbrio quando o jogador expressa um desejo claro de encerrar ou restringir.



No meu caso, o agente da operadora forneceu informações objetivamente incorretas, afirmando que o encerramento da conta resultaria na perda do saldo disponível. Essa afirmação não está de acordo com a legislação espanhola e foi determinante para que eu não tomasse medidas eficazes para proteger meu saldo naquele momento.


A essência do problema não é se o equilíbrio foi posteriormente mantido ou se houve diferentes "tipos" de encerramento, mas sim:


O operador forneceu informações incorretas sobre as consequências do encerramento.

Essa informação impediu a adoção de uma decisão protetiva, deixando o equilíbrio vulnerável.

A responsabilidade por fornecer informações precisas recai exclusivamente sobre a operadora, e não sobre o jogador.



Vale ressaltar também que a DGOJ já sancionou operadores em diversas ocasiões por condutas que incluem deficiências de informação, descumprimento das normas de jogo responsável e falta de proteção efetiva ao jogador em situações semelhantes.


Na prática regulatória espanhola, não é incomum que as operadoras optem por soluções compensatórias ou acordos com o jogador antes de impor sanções quando se constata irregularidades, justamente para mitigar o impacto das sanções e da reputação.


Minha reclamação não se baseia em uma posterior confiscação do saldo, mas na privação do exercício de um direito à proteção devido a práticas de informação deficientes, matéria expressamente regulamentada e punível na Espanha.


Por este motivo, a questão está atualmente a ser analisada pela autoridade reguladora competente (DGOJ).


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player0990
há 2 meses
uspt

Sure, it's beneficial to discuss that with the licensing authority. Please share any progress made.

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