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há 4 meses

Na verdade, eu não queria escrever mais nada sobre isso, mas aqui está outro post sobre a experiência que infelizmente tive nos últimos três dias. Durante anos, joguei principalmente apenas dois jogos: Big Bass Bonanza e Christmas. Só ontem ganhei rodadas grátis em ambos pelo menos 20 vezes por 2 euros e 3 euros. Cada vez, mas cada vez, o primeiro pescador veio após o 7º giro. Não importava se eu tinha 15 ou 10 rodadas grátis. Cada vez após a 7ª rodada. Cada vez ganhei menos de 100 euros. No Big Bass Halloween cerca de 10 vezes por 1,50 e 1,80, nem uma vez acima de 100 euros. No Tropicana 5 vezes por 2,40, 5 vezes por 1,20 e 5 vezes por 0,96 euros, nem uma vez acima de 50 euros. Apenas uma vez, de todas as rodadas grátis acima e outras pelo menos 20-25 em apostas de 1 euro, 1,20 etc., cheguei à terceira ronda e ganhei 87 euros. Isso deveria ser aleatório? Rodadas grátis no valor de mais de 10.000 euros com mais de 80% no bolso e a mesma vitória barata e exatamente o mesmo processo? Não, não tem nada a ver com aleatoriedade. É apenas um fornecedor de jogos muito inteligente que configura tudo para cada um de nós, dependendo do tipo de jogo. Em 2 anos tive milhares de rodadas grátis e nem uma vez, nem mesmo aquele peixe grande, ganhei 2.000x. Cada vez ganhei 10x, 12x ou pior. Em 50 rodadas grátis, talvez uma vez eu ganhe 200 a mais do que a vitória típica. E tem mais algumas pessoas escrevendo aqui que isso tem a ver com sorte? Como é possível que depois de 1 ou 2 rodadas eu saiba exatamente como será o resto? Porque tem a ver com sorte ou com acaso? Claro que não, porque todos têm uma mentalidade que sabe que depois de algumas pequenas vitórias continuaremos a jogar e talvez paguemos mais. Portanto, se alguém escreve aqui que é um jogo de azar, etc., então definitivamente não é totalmente honesto. Obrigado

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Outra adição: ontem, por cerca de 400 euros em depósitos, ganhei várias rodadas grátis no Big Bass Bonanza e no Natal, uma vez eram 150 euros, caso contrário, todos menos de 50. Todo o dinheiro acabou, claro. Desde ontem à noite até recentemente, depositei 600 euros, 2 x rodadas grátis de 1 euro. Claro que nas duas vezes fui o primeiro pescador após a 7ª volta, ganhando 28 euros. Quem mais quer dizer que o casino cashwin.com e o pragmatic não são fraudadores? Jogos que valem mais de 30.000 euros em 7 dias e sempre a mesma coisa.

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I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

há 4 meses

Outra adição: ontem, por cerca de 400 euros em depósitos, ganhei várias rodadas grátis no Big Bass Bonanza e no Natal, uma vez eram 150 euros, caso contrário, todos menos de 50. Todo o dinheiro acabou, claro. Desde ontem à noite até recentemente, depositei 600 euros, 2 x rodadas grátis de 1 euro. Claro que nas duas vezes fui o primeiro pescador após a 7ª volta, ganhando 28 euros. Quem mais quer dizer que o casino cashwin.com e o pragmatic não são fraudadores? Jogos que valem mais de 30.000 euros em 7 dias e sempre a mesma coisa.

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há 4 meses

I don't understand one thing. If you have this opinion and you are not doing well and you think that pragmatic is a bad provider and you don't get free spins or it's only once in a while, or even if you do get it, it always pays so little, why do you keep playing on these slots ? I have a feeling that you are going against yourself and it makes absolutely no sense to lose money on something that has somehow been verified by your own judgement. 

há 4 meses

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I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

há 4 meses

I guess it's the first time I see that you have such screenshots and I'm sure glad if you managed to win. The other side of the coin is that you probably lost it all back, which is pretty sad, because you don't have to win that kind of money in a casino. 

But I'm pleased that it's not just about how bad everything is.

há 4 meses

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

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há 4 meses

PLEASE DONT GAMBLE ANYONE. GAMBLING IS FINANCIAL RUIN. I HATE GAMBLING SO MUCH. STAKE CASINO AND PRAGMATIC PLAY ARE BIG FRAUDS. YESTERDAY I LOST 82$ IN PRAGMATIC PLAY WITH NO BONUS.

kabcd42
há 4 meses

Como você disse, é jogo, então você precisa de sorte. Você não deve desperdiçar seu dinheiro importante, apenas o que sobrou ao seguir esse hobby.

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ankaraxxx
há 4 meses

A maioria dos jogos Pragmáticos são bastante voláteis, tornando mais difícil vencer neles.

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Volatile = honest way of scamming

Kyami
há 4 meses

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

kabcd42
há 4 meses

Both of your posts sound like you have quite a deep opinion on how it works. Do you care to be more specific by chance?

I also know quite a good saying, though:

"Generalization undermines objectivity, and the absence of objectivity undermines the idea."

I bet we can delve into details, though I'll leave that to you. 🙏

há 4 meses

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

há 4 meses

Strong-minded people are, from my experience, perfectly suitable to have hobbies without this side effect.

I prefer not to tend to simplify everything into a fancy verse. Perhaps you have some live experience worth sharing. Do you, by any means, need some support?

há 4 meses

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

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há 4 meses

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

Jaro
há 4 meses

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE


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Kyami
há 4 meses

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.











ankaraxxx
há 4 meses

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

Jaro
há 3 meses

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.


 Dear Executive,


You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

 


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ankaraxxx
há 3 meses

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

há 3 meses

Hoje joguei Big Bass Bonanza e Christmas novamente no Cashwin.com. 11 vezes por 1 euro de rodadas grátis com um ganho de 146 euros, caso contrário, todos os outros ficaram abaixo de 40 euros.

5 vezes em 2 euros com um ganho máximo de 76 euros.

1 vez em 1,20 4 scatters com 2 rodadas 27 euros.

Todas as outras rodadas grátis de 80 e 90 centavos funcionaram exatamente da mesma maneira.

E ainda há pessoas que dizem que é um jogo de azar e que a Pragmatic Play tem um princípio aleatório legal em vigor.

Eles não têm nada!

Senão você pode realmente explicar algo assim. Uma, duas, mas eu não entendo 1000 vezes.

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