Vamos sempre ganhar na Roleta, não é só sorte. (página 2)
Indeed, luck plays a significant role in casino outcomes, but it's also important to make informed decisions when it comes to managing your bets and bankroll.
I appreciate your willingness to help. I'll stick to my own strategies for now, but if you have any interesting insights or tips to share, I'm all ears.
I'm not sure if my reply will be posted here, since Radka (or someone else from the support team) has restricted my ability to send messages, despite the fact that I didn't violate any rules.
However, you can contact me via email at allapetrova0011@mail.ru if you need more information
I don't think there was a huge problem. If I remember correctly, you talked to Radka about some tools that could be banned from casinos. However, I have a feeling that this was explained between you, or am I mistaken ? If you were restricted from using the rules you probably wouldn't have written this one. 🤔
To my surprise, my comment was published. However, earlier, in another discussion, my comment was blocked, and I received a message from the forum about it.
You are mistaken; nothing was explained. I continue to insist that there is software (which I use successfully) that operates as separate services, not integrated into the casino, and its usage cannot be detected by casinos or game providers.
If you were to input roulette numbers in the MS Excel application on your computer while playing at an online casino, and the software formulas would calculate analytics for you based on various indicators, could this be prohibited or detected? What if someone else inputs the numbers into the spreadsheet for you, and you use the results of the calculated analytics and statistical indicators? I am confident that the answer would be negative: it is impossible to prohibit and impossible to trace.
Unfortunately, due to our different expertize, we could not reach mutual understanding because Radka did not attempt to understand what I was explaining.
Additionally, I sent your team an email with descriptions of various services because, in my opinion, your service should have a section for the sake of completeness (and user warnings) that describes different software, both fraudulent and legitimately functioning. I received a response in which the systems I described were not thoroughly analyzed. It seems that in this matter, you are entirely on the side of the casino. Well, then at least be honest about it, rather than hiding behind fabricated pretexts.
Hey there,
From my side, everything has been explained fully many times in the past.
I'm quite convinced I already explained our point of view here, as well as that of a member of your Data Team.
Do you remember?
We strongly disagree with your words here.
"I continue to insist that there is software (which I use successfully) that operates as separate services, not integrated into the casino, and whose usage cannot be detected by casinos or game providers."
Well, the approach remains the same:
It is very likely against the rules if the player tries to gain an unfair advantage over the casino, specifically by using such a tool.
I only aim to keep the potential risk visible. Try to look at this from my point of view.
For instance, can you imagine walking into a brick-and-mortar casino with a running app on your cell phone and consulting the strategy personally while playing? Do you believe this is allowed?
Even taking photos is not allowed in most casinos. 🙁
All my replies to you have the same goal: to understand how this tool works and prevent players from believing there is a guaranteed way to gain some sort of steady income from the casino using some apps.
Take this as a complex response. I believe it is pointless to repeat myself over and over in other threads.
Using hidden apps running in the background is prohibited and will result in losing the balance and the account being closed.
This is a proven fact.
I would hate to see your account banned permanently.
Additionally, I've already mentioned to you that many casinos seek every possible detail to be used in the name of "unusual betting patterns" as an ultimate result of voiding winnings. Sure, it does not concern Excel, of course, but keeping your previously supported third-party tools in mind (some of those are pre-paid, right?) We called it an unnecessary risk in the past. As said, read some casinos' terms; most of your posts won't stand a chance. Could you please put your ego aside and start thinking about how casinos actually work?
Do not encourage the community This is a good thing to try, please. This won't be tolerated.
I would hate to see your account banned permanently.
First of all, I don't quite understand why I'm being threatened with a ban. I'll survive, of course. I just don't understand what the problem is if I'm not breaking any forum usage rules. I'm trying to share something relatively new, "think out of the box," you know. And I'm not just theorizing; I'm sharing my actual practical experience of playing in online casinos using various tools. You can block me if you want, that's your right, but let's be honest here: I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything; I'm just sharing what I do. Besides, I've done enough research in this area, which remains purely theoretical for you, to share my experience. Whether to follow it or not is a personal choice for everyone.
Secondly, there is NO (absolutely no) guarantee that the casino won't block your account for some of its own reasons, even when you're not using any betting strategies. Once, my casino account was blocked because someone else used that casino in the building where I lived, and the casino assumed that two accounts had one owner. Maybe they don't know about the NAT technology, where different users connect to the internet from the same IP address. So playing in a casino is always a conscious risk of losing money, even if you're not doing anything wrong. Fortunately, in that case, the issue was resolved positively, and my account was unblocked, but it could have gone differently.
You often refer to the example that no one would allow you to enter a casino with a technical device. Of course, that's true, and I'm not even going to argue with that. The point is that in this case, the casino can track this device and prohibit its use. But if the casino can't track it, it can't prohibit it. Rules can say anything, the point is that what the casino doesn't see doesn't exist for the casino, and the casino can't prohibit it because it doesn't know if you're using anything or not. You might be surprised to learn that there are even online streamers who play roulette in real-time mode using various software, and no one cares: the casino doesn't block them, and their balance isn't annulled.
I've been involved in this for over 4 years, tried a lot of different software, and I know what I'm talking about. So far, no online casino has blocked me for my winnings. And when you talk about some "unfair advantage" over the casino, all I can do is shrug. If modern technology and software allow people to achieve more in various areas of human activity, then it should be used, with the responsibility of accepting possible risks where they exist. It's a conscious choice for each individual.
And again, I return to your quote: "keeping your previously supported third-party tools in mind (some of those are pre-paid, right?)." As I mentioned before, some of the tools work on a prepaid basis, some have a free trial period. I mentioned all of this in my email, listing the tools I know, but you simply ignore it.
This leads nowhere. I'm providing the last recap, and I truly hope you will read it with an open mind...
Please do not insist on rules if you can't comprehend that your posts are quite dangerous to players. Maybe just some of those, yet it is our responsibility to mention all potentially risky outcomes.
Yes, you sent an email to our Data Team, its content was, however, evaluated as harmful to the community. Because those tools were prepaid, guaranteeing winnings.
We delete such advertisements almost every day to keep this forum safe.
I was asked to remove all your posts written in the same tone. This is no secret; on the contrary, this is exactly the reason why I keep asking you to stop promoting risky tools here on the forum. Thus the ban.
"the point is that what the casino doesn't see doesn't exist for the casino"
I'd say it's pretty easy to violate rules by saying exactly this word, but it does not change the fact that casinos investigate when someone makes "unusual bets". Mostly, this is against the rules.
Don't make the wrong assumption here; it is not fair at all, but it happens a lot. Even to players who are just lucky without even using Excel.
Can you consider that? I only aim to provide complex information. Thus, I'm glad you mentioned this:
"Secondly, there is NO (absolutely no) guarantee that the casino won't block your account for some of its own reasons, even when you're not using any betting strategies. Once, my casino account was blocked because someone else used that casino in the building where I lived, and the casino assumed that two accounts had one owner. Maybe they don't know about the NAT technology, where different users connect to the internet from the same IP address. So playing in a casino is always a conscious risk of losing money, even if you're not doing anything wrong. "
Yes, this is my point, so why take the unnecessary risk?
I'm sorry. My deepest concern regarding your activity is that we simply can't support the idea of using prepaid apps that offer higher odds of winning.
Radka, it's really unfair on your part: you claim that I sent you an email where I described some tools as, I quote, "tools were prepaid, guaranteeing winnings," which is absolutely not true. I did send several tools, some of which do indeed work on a prepaid basis and probably guarantee winnings. Another part of the list, which I pointed out, offers users a free trial period and does NOT guarantee winnings. Once, I even quoted parts of the descriptions from the websites of some tools, and you agreed that there was nothing mentioned about guaranteed winnings.
You're distorting the truth, and that's not a good practice.
This is how I see it, try to understand: there are people who are encountering online gambling for the first time or have been familiar with it for some time. And then, after playing for a while and probably winning something (or maybe losing some money, but not losing faith in luck), they start searching the internet for "secret tools" or "professional training," thinking that by finding it, they'll learn some secret recipe and now they'll definitely beat the roulette. You surely know such people. They are the prime targets for various scammers who promise golden mountains and some secret knowledge. And people fall for it.
Then there's your website. You have a rating of games and casinos, you talk about which sites are fraudulent and which are not. And newcomers come here too. This is where they can learn that there are companies that don't deceive but genuinely develop various tools that, when used skillfully, can increase the chances of winning. Not guaranteeing a win, but providing food for thought. And there are scammers who simply deceive.
In this way, it seems to me that you would be doing a great service to your own community. For example, there's this person who constantly spins records of some old games on well-known streaming platforms and sells a "guaranteed roulette winning system" in the form of a set of DVD discs for 5000 euros. And people pay him. But if you had a rating of various tools, analyzed by your specialists, indicating what these tools provide, people could avoid such scammers.
And, of course, it's important to warn that using third-party tools is a risk. I'm not arguing with that. But if you don't write anything about them at all and don't allow others to write about them, it's as if this niche doesn't even exist. That's worse, in my opinion, than acknowledging that it exists and "shining a light on the dark side of the moon." Do you understand what I mean?
Let's start over again...
"Radka, it's really unfair on your part: you claim that I sent you an email where I described some tools as, I quote, "tools were prepaid, guaranteeing winnings," which is absolutely not true. " There is no other way to say that: It is true. The Data Team checked that, and then I got feedback on this, I'm sorry.
There are certain parts you mentioned on the forum; I remember that. But on the other hand, I relied solely on your words. When it comes to the email you sent to DT a chack was done. That's the difference.
In general, I prefer to believe the post contains true information until proven otherwise.
"here are people who are encountering online gambling for the first time or have been familiar with it for some time. And then, after playing for a while and probably winning something (or maybe losing some money, but not losing faith in luck), they start searching the internet for "secret tools" or "professional training," thinking that by finding it, they'll learn some secret recipe and now they'll definitely beat the roulette. You surely know such people. They are the prime targets for various scammers who promise golden mountains and some secret knowledge. And people fall for it." - I understand this point.
Sadly, this is the issue "This is where they can learn that there are companies that don't deceive but genuinely develop various tools that, when used skillfully, can increase the chances of winning. "
The player should not use such tools in order to get better chances, since many casinos see that even without actual proof, such a player used "something" to gain an unfair advantage. Generally, the odds of the game were altered. Do you understand my point?
Day after day, players come here to the forum complaining about the unfairness of casino games across the whole industry. What you suggest sounds like the same habit in the opposite way.
I remember you saying something like, " What a casino can't find out is not against the rules" I'm sure the hypothetical casino representative would say that irregular betting strategy and improved chances mean you used something." With respect to your experiences, others simply may not be so lucky when trying to increase the odds "unnoticed".
Regarding this, it's not accurate: "You have a rating of games and casinos, you talk about which sites are fraudulent and which are not"
We calculate the safety of casinos starting at 10 points, and each negative aspect puts the rating lower.
Conclusion? I would not say I'm distorting the truth. Rather than that, I'm trying to explain and warn about the possible outcome for players.
At least, it seems we are partly doing the same. 🙂
"There is no other way to say that: It is true. The Data Team checked that, and then I got feedback on this, I'm sorry" — this is what you say.
I don't know exactly what your colleagues checked and how responsibly they approached their tasks. I'll just provide three screenshots from the FAQ section of two services that were on that list. I removed the names of the services to avoid being accused of advertising anything. Two fragments are in English, and you'll be able to read it, the other one is in Russian, and here's what it says:
"CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT I WILL WIN?
The '...' software never guarantees 100% winnings.
Everything depends only on you, on your choice, and your actions."
Can you show me where in these statements, I quote your words "those tools were prepaid, guaranteeing winnings"? And after that, you say that you're not distorting the truth.
This discussion has reached an impasse: you're calling white black and building all your arguments around that. And no rational arguments are accepted. You can't admit a mistake in your statements, even when the facts directly point to it.
I don't want to argue with you anymore, playing the role of Don Quixote in his battle with windmills. You can block me if you want, but that won't make that part of the online roulette work disappear, which you're so diligently trying not to notice.
This is pointless... What mistakes are you talking about now?
If you want to paint, be a bad guy here, suit yourself. 😎
I also feel this request will go unnoticed, but still. Could you please read my posts again, focusing on the only important thing that actually matters?
Try to use the logic, be the rational one for a moment if I'm not: Anything that highly increases the chances of winning is doing what? In your sense, do you think casinos allow that willingly? Are you convinced that using such tools is not prohibited by the rules?
Sure, it's easy to say such a tool can't be detected, so everything is okay because they won't find out - right?
Well, what remains to be said?
Additionally, a free trial means you must pay in order to keep the tool running. Thus, it's paid after all 🙂.
You pay to gain an advantage.
End from my side. 🙏
Estão todos loucos??? NÃO HÁ SISTEMA, TÁTICA, ESTRATÉGIA que garanta uma vitória segura na roleta. Não vamos falar sobre isso.
É como debater se 2+2 = 4 ou 2+2=5!!!
É estúpido falar mais sobre isso.
Mas existe uma maneira de ganhar dinheiro na roleta quase todos os dias.
Allo4ka explicou muito bem e eu expliquei extensivamente sobre um tópico.
Ninguém pode proibi-lo de ter um pedaço de papel, uma mesa ou um aplicativo em um dispositivo especial que mantenha registros e o ajude a alcançar a aposta vencedora enquanto joga roleta online.
Porque o jogo de ROLETA é baseado na lei da probabilidade. Qualquer número, setor, cor, etc. que não saiu DEVE sair. Basta investir com sabedoria, esperar o número ou série sair e ter lucro. Saia do jogo. Depois de um certo tempo, entre novamente, assista ao jogo, jogue na hora certa. Se você perder um determinado número de apostas, saiba que é preciso adivinhar. Parece complicado, mas é simples.
O principal é PARAR O JOGO QUANDO ESTIVER ACIMA. Gere o lucro realizado, esconda-o em outra carteira e continue o jogo com o banco inicial mais tarde. E assim várias vezes durante o dia. Depende do seu tempo livre.
E nenhum casino irá proibi-lo de jogar se ganhar dinheiro todos os dias. E se receber 500 euros ou dólares todos os dias, isso é simplesmente uma quantia ridícula para um casino. Porque um desses jogadores é sempre seguido por centenas de jogadores que jogam por diversão e perdem dinheiro.
É assim que funciona.
O ponto da minha história é que se você quiser ganhar dinheiro na roleta e não perdê-lo. SIM, É POSSÍVEL. Você decide.
Cassina ganha muito dinheiro com caça-níqueis. São enormes somas de dinheiro. A roleta é algo completamente diferente e não posso explicar agora. E eu não tenho ninguém, para ser sincero.
Porque aqui estão principalmente aqueles cabeças quentes que pensam que a roleta é fraudada, que tudo é uma fraude, que existem ímãs. Que eles fecharão sua conta se você continuar ganhando dinheiro. E eu não tenho uma discussão com essas pessoas.
Até o momento, pelo que escrevo neste fórum e já estou aqui há muito tempo, o único que entende a essência de tudo é o Allo4ka.
I think as long as you have paper and stuff like that it's not a problem, but if the casino found out that you were using an app, you probably wouldn't be able to get away with it, so we always recommend not to use it. Because if a player is using something, it usually reflects on his playing style or strategy, where casinos can observe it and eventually close your account based on that.
I slightly disagree that if you were winning even $500 a day that the casinos could not close your account. If you were just winning and making a profit every day, I think sooner or later that's exactly what would happen. Of course it would be important for the casino to pay you off and if you had a zero balance, many casinos can close your account without giving any reason.
So I'd be careful about using things like this that violate casino rules, because you never know where issues could arise.
Jaro: Discordo um pouco que se você ganhasse até 500 dólares por dia, os cassinos não poderiam fechar sua conta. Se você estivesse apenas ganhando e lucrando todo dia, acho que mais cedo ou mais tarde é exatamente isso que aconteceria.
ISSO NÃO ACONTECERIA!
Desde quando um cassino pode proibir alguém de jogar se ele jogar de forma justa e honesta?
Abaixo de 1. Eu seguiria o exemplo em um tribunal regular por crime de alta tecnologia. Eu poderia listar uma série de acusações que resultariam em um grande pagamento ao jogador lesionado. Porque qualquer homem, se você negar a ele o que ele gosta de fazer, sem nenhuma base ou prova, pode processá-lo por insulto...privação de liberdade de expressão...insulto mental, etc.
Sub 2. O Cassin precisa de uma opção dessas para processar um jogador que ganhou dinheiro com eles...XAXAXA. Pelo contrário...bem, essa seria a PIOR PROPAGANDA DO CASSINO.
Todo cassino gosta de alguém para ganhar dinheiro... esse cassino tem uma boa propaganda.
Dinheiro pode ser ganho, não precisa ser perdido
Abaixo de 3. Você realmente quer dizer que em um cassino licenciado real e forte, importa se alguém saca 500 ou 1.000 euros todos os dias?
Bem, essa é uma quantia ridícula para eles. É uma gota d'água de um barril de água transbordando. Que é enchido todos os dias.
I think some of the arguments are fine, especially the last one. But it has happened several times that casinos have simply closed players' accounts if they were only able to win. Of course a good casino with a reputation would probably not have to do that but you never know. Especially I know that many casinos have it written in the terms and conditions that they can close the player's account without giving a reason, of course if the balance is 0. That was my thought about it from what I've read from other players, but of course each case can be different. 🙂
