Mondcasino - Os ganhos de bônus do jogador foram confiscados.

Good day,

I have a problem with Mond Casino. Yesterday I deposited 100 Euro and I used the bonus for the 2nd deposit by entering the appropriate code. I got a 50 Euro bonus. Then I played until I met the spin requirement, which was 3750 Euro. Quite soon I won and my balance increased above 600 Euro, but I completed the whole conditions, while my balance after the spin was 454.6 Euro. So I asked for a selection. Today I received an email, part of which (thanks to the word limit - I can forward the entire email if I am interested) I will copy:

"

If the Player uses such strategies, and if the Casino has sufficient grounds to believe that the Player's actions are aimed solely to obtain financial benefits using the bonus advantage, then the Casino reserves the right to cancel all Player's winnings.

A list of what may be deemed as bonus abuse may include but is not limited to: Equal, zero or low margin bets; Manipulation of software, exploitation of loopholes or other technical forms of abuse or other behavior which amounts to deliberate cheating; Increasing the balance and then changing Your gaming pattern significantly (bet, game type, bet structure or other pattern of betting) to complete any wagering requirements of any Bonus; Using any betting system or placing even money bets on any game of chance, and / or Making bets for higher values (between 2 € and 4 €) continuously and then after get a big wins change to lower bets (lower for more than 20% of your inital bet); Using the "Double-Up" or "Buy Free Spins functions" or gamble feature within a game to increase win values; Increasing your balance after placing high value bets and thereafter proceeding to place bets of less than half of the prior bet value, in order to meet bonus wagering requirements; Wagering on Games that do not contribute towards wagering requirements or games with a 0% wagering weight applied to them as specified in the specific bonus landing page terms; Wagering on games with bonus money to build up value, lose the bonus and then cash out on the built up value with a secondary deposit.

Please note, upon checking your recent gameplay, we have concluded your gaming pattern does not fall into a category of genuine recreation players, therefore we have to act in compliance with out Bonus Terms and Conditions.

10.1.8 Bonuses offered by Mondcasino are only intended for genuine recreational players. Abuse of the offered bonuses will not be tolerated. Mondcasino reserves the right to investigate, cancel, suspend or lock any account if abuse of the bonus is only being suspected at its sole discretion without need for further explanation. In case of suspected abuse, all bonuses and subsequent gaming activity and wins will be revoked and annulled and the deposit is returned.

We have decided to revoke your bonus eligibility and retract your winnings generated with the help of our bonuses. We have left your initial deposits on your balance, intact.

"

I checked my account and my withdrawal was canceled, while the balance in the casino account is 100 Euro, ie 354.6 Euro less. If I understand correctly, the casino writes that I have violated the bonus conditions. However, the bonus I received was 50 Euros, while my withdrawal was 354.6 Euros. My balance never fell below 50 Euros, ie I did not even play with bonus money, and if I violated something, I would consider it fair to withdraw the original amount of the bonus, ie 50 Euros. To be honest, I didn't read the bonus terms before playing. So I thought I had violated these terms, so after receiving the email, I read the entire terms and conditions in detail. After reading all the prohibitions described in the email in detail, I can't find what exactly I violated, I think and I believe I didn't do any of it.

To sum it all up, I deposited 100 Euros, which is more than 20 Euros (minimum to get a bonus). Then I played the "Marching Legions" slot machine, where I bet 2 Euros on the spin. I have not played any other game such as roulette, card games or banned games. I fulfilled the whole requirement for the bet and I did not change the amount of the bet (the maximum allowed bet is in the conditions of 4 Euros).

If I understand the email and the conditions well (condition 10.1.8.), The casino has the right to cancel the winnings in the case of a bonus game at any time without explanation. But if such conditions are legal, then I think they are very unfair, especially if the casino not only takes away the bonus but all the winnings (the casino can, for example, credit 1 Euro bonus, and if the player wins, cancels everything and if the player loses, game valid). For example, I used the bonus for the first deposit I lost.

So I want to ask, is there any chance of winning (at least without the 50 Eur bonus) or is the chance at this casino due to condition 10.1.8 zero? If the chance is zero, it would be advisable to alert other players to this fact, because in my opinion most players do not read the conditions and if I knew about this condition, I would never play at this casino.

Thank you,

Miroslav P ***

Dobrý den,

mám problém s kasínem Mond Casino. Včera jsem vložil 100 Euro a využil jsem bonus pro 2. vklad zadáním příslušného kódu. Získal jsem 50 Euro bonus. Poté jsem hrál až do doby, než jsem splnil požadavek protočení, který byl 3750 Euro. Celkem brzy jsem vyhrál a můj zůstatek se zvýšil nad 600 Euro, ale dokončil jsem celé podmínky, přičemž můj zůstatek po protočení byl 454.6 Euro. Zažádal jsem tedy o výběr. Dnes mi přišel email, jehož část (díky slovnímu limitu - mohu v případě zájmu přeposlat celý email) zkopíruji:

 "

If the Player uses such strategies, and if the Casino has sufficient grounds to believe that the Player's actions are aimed solely to obtain financial benefits using the bonus advantage, then the Casino reserves the right to cancel all Player's winnings.

A list of what may be deemed as bonus abuse may include but is not limited to: Equal, zero or low margin bets; Collusion;Manipulation of software, exploitation of loopholes or other technical forms of abuse or other behavior which amounts to deliberate cheating; Increasing the balance and then changing Your gaming pattern significantly (bet, game type, bet structure or other pattern of betting) to complete any wagering requirements of any Bonus; Using any betting system or placing even money bets on any game of chance, and / or Making bets for higher values (between 2€ and 4€) continuously and then after get a big wins change to lower bets (lower for more than 20% of your inital bet); Using the "Double-Up" or "Buy Free Spins functions" or gamble feature within a game to increase win values; Increasing your balance after placing high value bets and thereafter proceeding to place bets of less than half of the prior bet value, in order to meet bonus wagering requirements; Wagering on Games that do not contribute towards wagering requirements or games with a 0% wagering weight applied to them as specified in the specific bonus landing page terms; Wagering on games with bonus money to build up value, lose the bonus and then cash out on the built up value with a secondary deposit.

Please note, upon checking your recent gameplay, we have concluded your gaming pattern does not fall into a category of genuine recreation players, therefore we have to act in compliance with out Bonus Terms and Conditions.

10.1.8 Bonuses offered by Mondcasino are only intended for genuine recreational players. Abuse of the offered bonuses will not be tolerated. Mondcasino reserves the right to investigate, cancel, suspend or lock any account if abuse of the bonus is only being suspected at its sole discretion without need for further explanation. In case of suspected abuse, all bonuses and subsequent gaming activity and wins will be revoked and annulled and the deposit is returned.

We have decided to revoke your bonus eligibility and retract your winnings generated with the help of our bonuses. We have left your initial deposits on your balance, intact.

"

Zkontroloval jsem svůj ´účet a můj výběr byl zrušen, přičemž zůstatek na kasínovém účtě činí 100 Euro, tj. o 354.6 Euro méně. Pokud tomu dobře rozumím, kasíno píše, že jsem porušil bonusové podmínky. Bonus, který jsem získal, však byl 50 Euro, přičemž odebráno mi bylo 354.6 Euro. Můj zůstatek nikdy pod 50 Euro neklesl, tj. s bonusovými penězi jsem ani nehrál a pokud bych něco porušil, chápal bych jako férové odebrat původní výši bonusu, tj. 50 Euro. Abych pravdu řekl, bonusové podmínky jsem před hraním nečetl. Myslel jsem si tedy, že jsem tyto podmínky porušil, a tak jsem si po obdržení emailu celé podmínky detailně přečetl. Po detailním přečtení všech v emailu popsaných zákazů nemohu najít, co jsem přesně porušil, myslím a věřím, že jsem nic z toho nedělal.

Když vše shrnu, vložil jsem 100 Euro, což je více než 20 Euro (minimum pro získání bonusu). Poté jsem hrál automat "Marching Legions", kde jsem vsázel 2 Euro na protočení. Žádnou jinou hru jako např. ruletu, karetní hry nebo hry na seznamu zakázaných her jsem nehrál. Celý požadavek na prosázení jsem splnil a výši sázky jsem neměnil (maximální povolená sázka jsou v podmínkách 4 Eura).

Pokud chápu email a podmínky dobře (podmínka 10.1.8.), tak kasino má právo výhry v případě hry s bonusem kdykoliv zrušit a to bez vysvětlení. Pokud jsou ale takovéto podmínky legální, tak si myslím, že jsou velmi neférové, obzvlášť pokud kasíno neodebere jen bonus, ale veškeré výhry (kasíno tak může např. připsat 1 Euro bonus, a pokud hráč vyhraje, vše zruší a pokud hráč prohraje, je hra platná). Využil jsem např. i bonus u prvního vkladu, který jsem prohrál.

Chci se tedy zeptat, je nějaká šance získat výhry (alespoň bez toho 50 Eur bonusu) nebo je šance u tohoto kasína díky podmínce 10.1.8 nulová? Pokud je šance nulová, bylo by vhodné na tuto skutečnost upozornit ostatní hráče, protože většina hráčů dle mého názoru podmínky nečte a pokud bych o této podmínce věděl, nikdy bych u tohoto kasína nehrál.

Děkuji,

Miroslav P***

Dear mprovod,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience. We will contact the casino and ask for their justification why your winnings have been canceled, but, before we do so, please could you tell me if you are able to reach your game history? If yes, please forward it to kristina.s@casino.guru. If there is any other relevant communication between you and the casino, please forward it as well.

I hope, we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Kristina

Dear Mrs. Kristino,

Thank you very much for your answer. I emailed you some of the game history I had available and forwarded the email I received from the casino. If you need anything else, please write to me.

Thank you and kind regards,

Miroslav

Vážená paní Kristino,

děkuji moc za odpověď. Na email jsem Vám odeslal část herní historie, kterou jsem měl k dispozici, a přeposlal jsem email, který jsem obdržel od kasína. Pokud budete potřebovat ještě něco, tak mi prosím napište.

Děkuji a s pozdravem,

Miroslav

Thank you very much mprovod for your reply. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Jozef (jozef.k@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction soon.

Hello mprovod.

I absolutely appreciate that you shared your experiences with the Casino Guru team. We will now try to get in touch with the casino.

Hello Joseph,

I received a response from the casino, which I forwarded to jozef.k@casino.guru . The casino performed a new check and allowed me to withdraw the winnings I made with the bonus. At the same time, they write that the term 10.1.8, which seemed to me to be very unfair, will be removed from the casino's terms and conditions. I checked the conditions and the deadline was really removed.

This step comes to me from the casino as very fair and of course I agree with it. The total amount of 454.6 Euro was returned to my casino account and I made a withdrawal. I will inform you when the withdrawal arrives in my bank account.

I do not have the money in my bank account yet, but returning the winnings to the casino account and withdrawing the condition will be fair to me and if it is possible to reopen this complaint in case of non-delivery to my bank account, I think you can close it as settled for now. As soon as the withdrawal arrives in my bank account, I will confirm it here.

Regards,

Miroslav

Dobrý den Jozefe,

Dostal jsem odpověď od kasina, kterou jsem přeposlal na email jozef.k@casino.guru. Kasíno provedlo novou kontrolu a povolilo mi vybrat výhry, kterých jsem dosáhl s pomocí bonusu. Zároveň píší, že termín 10.1.8, který mi připadal jako velmi nespravedlivý, bude odebrán z podmínek kasína. Podmínky jsem zkontroloval a termín byl opravdu odebrán.

Tento krok mi od kasína příjde jako velmi férový a samozřejmě s ním souhlasím. Celková částka ve výši 454.6 Euro byla vrácena na můj kasínový účet a provedl jsem výběr. Až výběr dorazí na můj bankovní účet, budu Vás informovat. 

Peníze zatím na bankovním účtě nemám, ale vrácení výher na kasínový účet a odebrání dané podmínky mi příjde jako férové a pokud je v případě nedoručení částky na můj bankovní účet možné tuto stížnost znovu otevřit, tak si myslím, že jí můžete prozatím uzavřít jako vyřešenou. Jakmile výběr peněz dorazí na můj bankovní účet, tak to zde potvrdím.

S pozdravem,

Miroslav

Hello Joseph,

I certify that the amount of 454.6 Euro has just been credited to my bank account.

This complaint can therefore be fully concluded as "successfully resolved".

I would like to thank the casino guru team for their help and I would like to thank Mond Casino for resolving the problem quickly and successfully.

Regards,

Miroslav

Dobrý den Jozefe,

potvrzuji, že částka ve výši 454.6 Euro byla právě připsána na můj bankovní účet.

Tato stížnost může být tedy plně uzavřena jako "úspěšně vyřešená".

Týmu kasíno guru děkuji za pomoc a kasínu Mond Casino tímto děkuji za rychlé a úspěšné vyřešení problému.

S pozdravem,

Miroslav

Dear mprovod.

Thank you for using the Casino Guru complaint resolution center. We are glad to hear that your issue got resolved. We will now mark it as 'resolved' in our system. Please, do not hesitate to contact us in the future, if you run into any issues with this or any other casino. We are here to help, but I hope you won’t come across a problem like this again.

Best regards, Jozef