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Good day,

I have the following request. I used a 250% bonus at Wildpharao with a deposit of €25. I managed to wager the bonus in full and had an amount of

~1127€ on the account.

I have requested a withdrawal of €1000. Since you can only request one open withdrawal at a time, I continued playing with the €117. Since the payouts at WIldpharao take a relatively long time, I continued playing with the €117 for about 10 days. At times I was even at 1200 € (from the 117 €).

I ended up with €500 in my balance and an open withdrawal of €1000. I contacted chat support and asked if the pending payout could be expedited and they looked at my payout and said the payout is now "processed".

Up to here everything is fine. But now I have seen that the €500 balance in my purse has disappeared. Then I wrote directly to the support. After a long back and forth, the support said that I had gambled away the money and that I had no money in my balance at the time the payment was made. Later it was all about the max cashout of 50x deposit. In my case, these would still be €1250 and not €1000. And the maxcashout doesn't work for me, because after wagering I had €1117 and paid out €1000 and continued playing with €117. After more back and forth and the accusation that I didn't have 500€ in my balance, we decided that the whole thing would be checked. Later I contacted the support again and they claimed that I had 1250€ after wagering the bonus and gambled away the 250€ directly, but you can see on my screenshots that I have a balance of 1000€. To date I have not received any reply from the email sent to me and am now turning to you guys.

I would never do a breakdown like that and I've never had any withdrawal issues before and have been extremely happy with Wild Pharaoh. But now I'm concerned with the principle, because I'm being portrayed as a liar and seem to be making up some stories.

Normally you should see within seconds that I must have had a balance in my purse of €500 at the time of the payout?

PS: I have a screenshot of my current Balance + Withdraw. In this chat, I even asked again explicitly whether my balance would remain after a payout. And as mentioned, the support claims that I had 250€ on the balance after wagering and gambled away this money. The screenshot already shows 1000€, so somehow it doesn't make any sense.

Thank you for the help and best regards

Baloo91

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Guten Tag,

ich habe folgendes Anliegen. Ich habe bei Wildpharao einen 250% Bonus genutzt mit einer Einzahlung von 25€. Ich habe es geschafft den Bonus komplett zu Wagern und hatte einen Betrag von

~1127€ auf dem Konto.

Ich habe eine Auszahlung von 1000€ beantragt. Da man nur eine gleichzeitig offene Auszahlung beantragen kann, habe ich mit den 117€ weitergespielt. Da die Auszahlungen bei WIldpharao relativ lange dauern, habe ich ungefähr 10Tage mit den 117€ weitergespielt. Zeitweise war ich sogar bei 1200€ (aus den 117€).

Letztendlich hatte ich 500€ in meiner Balance und eine offene Auszahlung von 1000€. Ich kontaktierte den Chatsupport und fragte, ob man die offene Auszahlung beschleunigen kann und dieser schaute sich meine Auszahlung an und meinte, dass die Auszahlung nun "processed" ist.

Bis hierhin alles in Ordnung. Nun habe ich aber gesehen, dass in meiner Purse die 500€ balance verschwunden sind. Daraufhin hatte ich direkt dem support geschrieben. Nach langem hin und her meinte der support, dass ich das Geld verspielt hätte und dass ich gar kein Geld in meiner Balance zum Zeitpunkt der vollführten Auszahlung gehabt hätte. Später ging es dann auf einmal um den Maxcashout von 50x Einzahlung. Diese wären in meinem Fall aber immer noch 1250€ und nicht 1000€. Und bei mir greift der Maxcashout nicht, da ich ja nach dem wagern 1117€ hatte und 1000€ ausgezahlt habe und mit 117€ weitergespielt habe. Nach erneutem hin und her und der Beschuldigung, dass ich keine 500€ in meiner Balance hatte, sind wir so verblieben, dass das Ganze gecheckt wird. Später hab ich den support nochmal kontaktiert und dieser hat behauptet, dass ich 1250€ nach dem wagern des Bonus gehabt habe und die 250€ direkt verspielt habe, aber man sieht ja auf meinen Screenshots, dass ich eine Balance von 1000€ habe. Ich habe bis heute keine Antwort von der mir gegebenen Email erhalten und wende mich jetzt an euch.

Ich würde niemals so einen Aufriss machen und ich hatte davor auch noch nie Probleme bei Auszahlungen und war top zufrieden mit Wild Pharao. Jetzt geht es mir aber um das Prinzip, da ich als Lügner dargestellt werde und mir anscheinend irgendwelche Geschichten ausdenke.

Normalerweise müsste man doch innerhalb von Sekunden sehen, dass ich zum Zeitpunkt der Auszahlung eine Balance in meiner purse von 500€ gehabt haben muss?

P.S: Ich habe einen Screenshot von meiner aktuellen Balance + Withdraw. In diesem Chat habe ich sogar nochmal explizit nachgefragt, ob meine Balance bei einer Auszahlung vorhanden bleibt. Und wie erwähnt, behauptet der support dass ich nach dem wagern 250€ auf der Balance hatte und dieses Geld verspielt habe. Der Screenshot zeigt ja schon 1000€, also irgendwie mach das alles keinen Sinn.

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe und liebe Grüße

Balu91

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Dear Balu91,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem.

I have checked the general bonus terms and conditions, and this is what I found (here):

"All withdrawals will be subject to an internal audit before being processed. Wildpharao reserves all rights to void Bonuses or any winnings for failed audits. Player hereby consents in advance to same. When depositing with Bonus the maximum Cashout for all reload bonuses (all bonuses without the first depositing bonus) will be 50 x of your last Deposit."

I would like to emphasize, that according to our Fair Gambling Codex https://casino.guru/fair-gambling-codex-for-casinos#win-limits, we consider imposed win limit to be unfair and predatory, only when it’s applied to a real money game, however, we accept bonus T&Cs that restrict the maximum cash out from a bonus play.

Could you please advise if you have received your first withdrawal of €1,000?

Please forward any relevant communication and supporting evidence to petronela.k@casino.guru.

Thank you in advance for your reply and I hope we will be able to help you as soon as possible.

Best regards,

Petronela

Good day,

thank you for the fast feedback!

After a long wait, I received the €1000 in my account today, thank you very much.

Again on the topic and the process:

1) I made a deposit of €25 and used a 250% bonus.

2) Bonus was fully wagered and my final balance was ~€1127

3) I could only make a maximum withdrawal of €1000

4) I continued playing with the €117 and ended up with €500 in the purse

5) 500€ balance disappeared from the purse with the executed wihtdraw of 1000€.

I mentioned the process again, since I continued playing with the money I had risked, i.e. with the €117.

Nevertheless 50x last deposit in my case would be 50x25€=1250€ and not 1000€.

But according to my understanding, the max cashout does not apply here because I played with my risked money. Without a bonus. Or am I wrong?

I hope I have made myself clear.

Thank you for the effort and best regards

Baloo91

Guten Tag,

vielen Dank für die schnelle Rückmeldung!

Die 1000€ habe ich heute nach langer Wartezeit auf meinem Konto erhalten, vielen Dank.

Noch einmal zu der Thematik und dem Ablauf:

1) Ich habe eine Einzahlung über 25€ getätigt und einen 250% genutzt.

2) Bonus wurde komplett gewagered und mein Endkontostand war ~1127€

3) Ich konnte nur eine maximale Auszahlung von 1000€ machen

4) Ich habe mit den 117€ weitergespielt und am Ende 500€ in der Purse gehabt

5) 500€ Balance sind bei dem ausgeführten wihtdraw der 1000€ aus der Purse verschwunden.

Ich habe den Ablauf erneut erwähnt, da ich ja mit dem fertig gewagerten Geld weitergespielt habe, also mit den 117€.

Nichtsdestotrotz wären 50x letzte Einzahlung in meinem Fall 50x25€=1250€ und nicht 1000€.

Aber meinem Verständnis nach greift der Max-Cashout hier nicht, weil ich ja mit meinem fertig gewagerten Geld gespielt habe. Ohne Bonus. Oder liege ich falsch?

Ich hoffe ich habe mich verständlich ausgedrückt.

Vielen Dank für die Mühe und liebe Grüße

Balu91

Thank you, Balu91, for the update. I'm happy to hear that you have received your withdrawal.

Please understand that after requesting the withdrawal the remaining balance/funds are usually voided when they were accumulated with bonus. Nevertheless, your requested withdrawal was lower than the maximum cashout therefore, you should be entitled, under certain circumstances, to an additional €250.

Could you please advise if your active balance went under €117 when playing after completing bonus wagering and after the withdrawal has been requested?

Hello,

I saw that the original Text is in english so I can switch to english to make it easier for you.

I understand that after requesting a withdraw the remaining balance is voided, but after wagering the bonus I had ~1117€ in my purse. My plan was to cashout everything. The max cashout for one withdraw is 1000€. So I wanted to withdraw 1000€ and another 117€. The 1000€ worked, but every time I tried to withdraw the 117€ a message occured "The daily max withdraw is reached".

So I wrote to the support and they told me that only one withdraw at the same time is possible. So I played on with the 117€. Unfortunaly the withdraws take very long at wildpharao. So I played about 10 days with the 117€ and got meanwhile up to 1000€. But than I wanted to withdraw my remaining 500€.

I dont know how the bonus rules are, in my oppinion I played with my own wagered money, but I would be happy about the 250€ of course.

I can´´´t remember if I fell under 117€ after completing the bonus. I just remeber getting fast into bonus.

Thanks your your help and patience

Thank you very much, Balu91, for the clarification. Could you please forward your game history to petronela.k@casino.guru?

Thanks for your answer.

I had the same idea. Back then I talked with the support and asked them to check my gaming history. There you should see the game and my balance in the moment of the processed withdraw. The support told me that they can´´´´´´´´t see it. I think they lied because later she told me that my last game was "Book of Lords". So I don´´t know.

As far as I know I can not see my gaming history at wild pharao. If yes, it would be very kind if you tell me how.

Thanks in advance and best regards

Balu91

Thank you very much, Balu91, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Peter (peter.m@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.  

Hi Balu91,

I have looked at your case and understand the situation. I will contact the casino and see if I can help. I would like to invite Wild Pharao Casino to the conversation to participate in the resolution of this complaint.

We would like to ask Wild Pharao Casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, the complaint will become ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.

Thank you very much for your effort, Peter.

Best regards

Balu91

Hi Balu91,

I tried to get in touch with the casino repeatedly but had no success. I’m afraid, there is not much that can be done without cooperation from its side. I will mark the complaint "unresolved" in our system. I understand this isn't a satisfactory solution to your issue. However, the decrease in rating caused by unresolved complaints could help to change the casino's approach. If the casino decides to react, we will reopen the complaint and you will be notified by email. In the meantime, I recommend you to contact the Curacao Gaming Authority (http://www.gaming-curacao.com/) and submit a complaint to them. It's not the best licensing authority out there but it has more options and tools to help players. Let me know how they replied (peter.m@casino.guru). I wish I could be of more help.

Best regards

Peter